<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!-- generator="wordpress/2.3" -->
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Google is not perfect</title>
	<link>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202</link>
	<description>Taxonomy. And stuff.</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3</generator>
		<item>
		<title>By: VocabControl &#187; Taxonomy as an application for an open world</title>
		<link>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-8319</link>
		<dc:creator>VocabControl &#187; Taxonomy as an application for an open world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-8319</guid>
		<description>[...] instinctive. I am frequently frustrated by the limitations of free text search (see my earlier post Google is not perfect). The main limitation is to knowledge discovery - you can’t browse sensibly around a topic area [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] instinctive. I am frequently frustrated by the limitations of free text search (see my earlier post Google is not perfect). The main limitation is to knowledge discovery - you can’t browse sensibly around a topic area [&#8230;]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: PabloG</title>
		<link>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-7254</link>
		<dc:creator>PabloG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-7254</guid>
		<description>[...] VocabControl » Google is not perfect (tags: library blog bibliothèques classif google critique metadonnees tags catalogue catalogage librarian) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] VocabControl » Google is not perfect (tags: library blog bibliothèques classif google critique metadonnees tags catalogue catalogage librarian) [&#8230;]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Fran</title>
		<link>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-7118</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-7118</guid>
		<description>Thank you for your kind words Kaylin!

I don't think there is an "end result" or any one-size-fits-all solution, but that we have been encouraged to think there is by those software vendors who are the most anxious to hype their latest product (Google fans included!). Most marketing includes a hefty dose of oversimplifying and overstating.  Combine this with companies looking for savings, and you end up with products bought in the belief that they can meet all your search needs, only to discover too late what they cannot do. 

I think that the concept of the "average searcher" doesn't help as it is misleading without putting it in context. If we are talking about the general public performing leisure searches, then Google is fabulous. However, I think there is a danger in underestimating people's ability to navigate classifications. The main reason mass classification projects fell out of favour on the web was not because people couldn't navigate them, but because they are labour intensive and hance slow and expensive to create, so web resources were being produced way faster than they could be classified. Most people actually feel comforted by following navigation links when they know they are "zooming in" on what they need.  Automated classification is worth pursuing because it can provide at least some rough and ready classification cheaply. It is the cost of classifying well, not the usability of good classifications, that is the real problem. (People may mistake poor usability for poor classification, but that's an issue for another day...)

However, if our "average searcher" is a knowledge worker, they may have access to specialised databases at the moment, but the threat to them is that their employers will say "oh you only need Google, let's stop paying for our specialist resources and sack our librarians". They may realise too late that this is a false economy, but as with all complex systems, it's much easier to pull them apart than reconstruct them. Proving ROI on specialist research services is notoriously difficult and claims that "information is free" and "people will organise it for free" don't help. 

The term "average searcher" may cover a huge range of different people with different needs. Types of search differ, contexts differ, risks differ, and so what is worth paying for will differ. If your searchers are dealing with a high-cost, high-risk area such as pharmaceutical law, perhaps you do need enough of a library service to support almost every search. If your company sells a small range of novelty postcards, a handful of simple categories for your folder structure or website will probably suffice. In most cases, you will probably need a selection of tools and systems.

I believe that we need to increase information literacy throughout society generally, which means increasing public understanding of the complexities of search. It should be taught in schools as a fundamental part of education and as information professionals we should be helping people to understand that Google won't solve everything. 

No-one except the most cynical of bankers would argue that kids shouldn't be taught about debt and interest, mortgages, and taxation because the "average person" finds these topics hard to understand. In whose interests is it to limit people's skills and knowledge? It's precisely because the digital world is getting more complex that we need more education, more discussion, and more thinking about search and retrieval than ever before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your kind words Kaylin!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is an &#8220;end result&#8221; or any one-size-fits-all solution, but that we have been encouraged to think there is by those software vendors who are the most anxious to hype their latest product (Google fans included!). Most marketing includes a hefty dose of oversimplifying and overstating.  Combine this with companies looking for savings, and you end up with products bought in the belief that they can meet all your search needs, only to discover too late what they cannot do. </p>
<p>I think that the concept of the &#8220;average searcher&#8221; doesn&#8217;t help as it is misleading without putting it in context. If we are talking about the general public performing leisure searches, then Google is fabulous. However, I think there is a danger in underestimating people&#8217;s ability to navigate classifications. The main reason mass classification projects fell out of favour on the web was not because people couldn&#8217;t navigate them, but because they are labour intensive and hance slow and expensive to create, so web resources were being produced way faster than they could be classified. Most people actually feel comforted by following navigation links when they know they are &#8220;zooming in&#8221; on what they need.  Automated classification is worth pursuing because it can provide at least some rough and ready classification cheaply. It is the cost of classifying well, not the usability of good classifications, that is the real problem. (People may mistake poor usability for poor classification, but that&#8217;s an issue for another day&#8230;)</p>
<p>However, if our &#8220;average searcher&#8221; is a knowledge worker, they may have access to specialised databases at the moment, but the threat to them is that their employers will say &#8220;oh you only need Google, let&#8217;s stop paying for our specialist resources and sack our librarians&#8221;. They may realise too late that this is a false economy, but as with all complex systems, it&#8217;s much easier to pull them apart than reconstruct them. Proving ROI on specialist research services is notoriously difficult and claims that &#8220;information is free&#8221; and &#8220;people will organise it for free&#8221; don&#8217;t help. </p>
<p>The term &#8220;average searcher&#8221; may cover a huge range of different people with different needs. Types of search differ, contexts differ, risks differ, and so what is worth paying for will differ. If your searchers are dealing with a high-cost, high-risk area such as pharmaceutical law, perhaps you do need enough of a library service to support almost every search. If your company sells a small range of novelty postcards, a handful of simple categories for your folder structure or website will probably suffice. In most cases, you will probably need a selection of tools and systems.</p>
<p>I believe that we need to increase information literacy throughout society generally, which means increasing public understanding of the complexities of search. It should be taught in schools as a fundamental part of education and as information professionals we should be helping people to understand that Google won&#8217;t solve everything. </p>
<p>No-one except the most cynical of bankers would argue that kids shouldn&#8217;t be taught about debt and interest, mortgages, and taxation because the &#8220;average person&#8221; finds these topics hard to understand. In whose interests is it to limit people&#8217;s skills and knowledge? It&#8217;s precisely because the digital world is getting more complex that we need more education, more discussion, and more thinking about search and retrieval than ever before.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kaylin</title>
		<link>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-7115</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaylin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-7115</guid>
		<description>Great summary, but what do you envision the end result being? I think Google is sufficient for the majority of searches performed on it, and people looking for more specialized information will most likely have access to more specialized databases. The average searcher seems to be just barely within the comfort zone on Google, so do you think its possible for them to navigate a more complex classification system? Or will it be more of an Ask-a-Librarian situation, with a librarian behind every searcher?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great summary, but what do you envision the end result being? I think Google is sufficient for the majority of searches performed on it, and people looking for more specialized information will most likely have access to more specialized databases. The average searcher seems to be just barely within the comfort zone on Google, so do you think its possible for them to navigate a more complex classification system? Or will it be more of an Ask-a-Librarian situation, with a librarian behind every searcher?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail &#124; Digital Asset Management</title>
		<link>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-6985</link>
		<dc:creator>When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail &#124; Digital Asset Management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-6985</guid>
		<description>[...] Continues @  VocabControl » Google is not perfect. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Continues @  VocabControl » Google is not perfect. [&#8230;]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pourquoi la notion de &#8220;classification&#8221; est toujours nécessaire &#171; pintiniblog</title>
		<link>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-6977</link>
		<dc:creator>Pourquoi la notion de &#8220;classification&#8221; est toujours nécessaire &#171; pintiniblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-6977</guid>
		<description>[...] Pourquoi la notion de &#8220;classification&#8221; est toujours&#160;nécessaire    Google is not perfect [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Pourquoi la notion de &#8220;classification&#8221; est toujours&nbsp;nécessaire    Google is not perfect [&#8230;]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-6976</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-6976</guid>
		<description>I think you have summarized this situation nicely.  As a librarian who is looking for opportunities in digital asset management and metadata design, I'm glad to have come across your post.  It has become commonplace to rely on search, but you articulate the shortcomings inherent in that model -- structured information makes learning so much easier, since it acts as a road map to a subject area.  One of the more valuable lessons I learned while completing my MLS was that in working with an information seeker, they often cannot put their query into meaningful words because they don't yet know what they are seeking.

Regards,
Daniel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have summarized this situation nicely.  As a librarian who is looking for opportunities in digital asset management and metadata design, I&#8217;m glad to have come across your post.  It has become commonplace to rely on search, but you articulate the shortcomings inherent in that model &#8212; structured information makes learning so much easier, since it acts as a road map to a subject area.  One of the more valuable lessons I learned while completing my MLS was that in working with an information seeker, they often cannot put their query into meaningful words because they don&#8217;t yet know what they are seeking.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Daniel</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ian Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-6969</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-6969</guid>
		<description>Excellent summary of the strengths and weaknesses of Google and a rousing call to arms to all metadata and information management professionals to rush to the vanguard of the information revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent summary of the strengths and weaknesses of Google and a rousing call to arms to all metadata and information management professionals to rush to the vanguard of the information revolution.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cataloging Futures</title>
		<link>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-6960</link>
		<dc:creator>Cataloging Futures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vocabcontrol.com/?p=202#comment-6960</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Why we still need classification in the age of Google&lt;/strong&gt;

Life has trumped blogging for me lately. Just thought you might be interested in what's at the top of my reading pile: a new post on the VocabControl blog titled "Google is not perfect." Perhaps I am starting to suffer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Why we still need classification in the age of Google</strong></p>
<p>Life has trumped blogging for me lately. Just thought you might be interested in what&#8217;s at the top of my reading pile: a new post on the VocabControl blog titled &#8220;Google is not perfect.&#8221; Perhaps I am starting to suffer&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
